Third-Hand Smoke: Logical Or An Alarm Too Far?
I grew up in a household of smokers: I loathe smoking with a passion that is related to a childhood of tobacco-exacerbated ENT problems. However, even I am caught between nodding my head and rolling my eyes at the news that researchers are warning parents about the dangers of third-hand smoke. Is this just a logical extension of the dangers that we already understand about exposing children to tobacco smoke or is it an alarm too far that will alienate parents who already know that they shouldn't be smoking around their children?
If parents smoke, children depend on their goodwill to take measures to protect them from environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). According to a study in Sweden, one of the commonest strategies is for parents to smoke outdoors.
Smoking outdoors with the door closed was not a total but the most effective way to protect children from environmental tobacco-smoke exposure. Other modes of action had a minor effect.The researchers emphasised that there is no known "safe" level of ETS. They suggested that their results lend weight to earlier reports that children with
outdoor-smoking parents tend to have a higher prevalence of ear infections and respiratory symptoms than children of nonsmokers but less than children of indoor smokers.They suggested that parents should be advised that
smoking outdoors with the door closed is a meaningful way of ETS protection, whereas other precautions indoors have little or no effect. Whether outdoor smoking is as good as nonsmoking remains to be shown.Also publishing in 2004, Prof. Matt of San Diego University and his colleagues reported on a study that found that tobacco by-products were trapped in household dust, carpets, ceiling tiles, soft furnishings etc. and therefore increased children's exposure. These smoking by-products can have a legacy for several months after smoking occurred. Matt and his team used nicotine monitors in the child's bedroom and the main living room. They analysed dust, surfaces, the child's hair and urine for the chemical compounds associated with tobacco smoke.
Even in homes where the parents smoke outside, the levels of tobacco contaminants were up to 7x greater than in homes where neither parent smokes. In homes where the adults smoke inside, the tobacco toxicity levels are up to 8x greater than in homes where parents smoke outside. The researchers argue that children are more vulnerable to inhaling this type of third-hand smoke because they:
- spend more time indoors
- are in close physical contact with the smoker (e.g., cuddling, changing)
- breathe more frequently than adults
- may swallow contaminated items.
According to the Daily Mail, Ash Anand of the baby charity Tommy's said:
This is certainly worrying news and we would urge parents of babies and young children to cut down, if not give up smoking altogether.Eh, yes. I don't know when someone is going to offer workshops in how to discourage other adults from smoking around your children. I've never known an adult to accept a request to not smoke: whether or not they are in the overwhelming minority. Dissuading adults from smoking in the open air just seems like an eye roll too far. Picture the scene. There is a family get-together at your in-laws or a play-group social. The children perform their party-pieces. There is a picnic: there is good food, beer and wine. In post-prandial bliss (or during it if you're really unlucky) smokers light up their digestif.
You silently object because a) you don't like it and b) there are children present. But, it is outdoors, how much harm can there be and you're tired of hearing the comparison between exposure to ETS and traffic fumes. Plus, you've never managed to dissuade someone from smoking at the dinner-table - why are they going to be receptive to a request to not smoke outdoors?
So you socialise with your family or other parents and keep your own counsel. When you arrive home you realise that all of you reek of tobacco smoke. The children are snuffly. If you're really unlucky, they are in for sinus problems and ear infections. And you agreed to this on their behalf.
Only parents can make the relative risk assessment for their children. They know how much ETS exposure the children get on a regular basis and what their home environment is like. They know the child's medical history and whether or not they are especially vulnerable (e.g., they have asthma or repeated ear infections).
There is help available for people who are trying to stop smoking. The research indicates that smoking outside with the door closed does reduce children's ETS exposure but it does not eliminate it and there is no known safe level.
Most parents know that the best practice is to give up smoking. If parents feel that this is not the right time, or they are on the run-in to the time when they have decided that they will stop, then minimising children's exposure by smoking outside with the door closed does make sense. It might also be worth considering the use of alternative smokeless-tobacco products when at home that do not expose children to ETS. Bringing up children in a smoke-free home is one of the most significant contributions to children's health that a parent can make.
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Your example of outside smoking is how I feel around my mother-in-law. She doesn't smoke in her house, but she does smoke outside and in her car. I have a two year old and I can't stand it when I can smell the reek of smoke on her when she hugs my child. I think that parents and grandparents should think twice before bringing these nasty toxins around children and other loved ones who don't smoke. I may seem paranoid, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. My daughter gets the sniffles and bad coughs every time after we visit my in-laws and I am tired of it!!
"The researchers emphasised that there is no known "safe" level of ETS."
Which also means there is no known UNSAFE level of ETS.
My children also get the sniffles and bad coughs when visiting people who don't smoke. Get real!
One thing that none of the research on "third hand smoke" shows is a relative risk as compared to other common risks that children are routinely subjected to. How does the risk of "third hand smoke" compare to the amount of breathed carbon-monoxide obtained by crossing a busy Wal-Mart parking lot? Or how does it compare to the chlorine levels a child is subjected to from an afternoon of swimming at the local swimming pool? Or how does it compare to the toxins a child is subjected to when kissed by a woman wearing a full face of make-up? Or what about the toxins left over from having your hair died? or the toxicity of the residue left over from the shampoo you use? Or even the toxins on your skin from the deodorant you use? The key is what is the level of risk from "third hand smoke" compared to all the other environmental risks in the world, and how does one protect their kids from all of them without encasing them inside a sterile bubble?
I am a smoker who is trying to quit the habit. I certainly hope that I have not caused anyone harm by smoking near them inside or outside of my home. Naturally, I want to quit for health reasons, and the expense.But, society has really made smokers feel incredibly antisocial over the past 10 years or so. I am concerned that with this new "third hand" smoking "findings" could end up causing discrimination against smokers like never before.This could lead to smokers having difficulty finding a new job or even socializing with non-smokers.Society seems to forget that is is still Legal to smoke.IF third hand smoke is that toxic, then we may see more laws regulating when/where a person can smoke. Pretty soon it may be illegal to smoke in a home where children live.Why not just make smoking completely illegal and take a step back in time to the prohibition days?
I doubt smoking would be made illegal.This country can't afford to lose the megabucks they receive on taxing tobacco!!
Doctors are worried about the chemicals from third hand smoke and now the American Academy of Pediatrics is aggressively attacking any doctors or health experts who oppose mandatory flu shot vaccines onto six-month old infants. There are large amounts of toxins found in them such as Mercury, Formaldehyde and Ethylene glycol (which is anti-freeze) and that is just to name a few. They can inject those chemicals into our children which are more harmful than a risk that a child crawling might come in contact with. This stuff has to stop.
Anonymous at 9.04 misses the point entirely. "No known safe level" is NOT somehow equivalent to "no known unsafe level". It means that anything above zero is an unsafe level.
I have smoked for many years and have quit unsuccessfully several times only to start again. This is my only vice, albeit a nasty habit, which I wish I could conquer.
I would never smoke around any guests in my home, let alone someone else's home. I would never smoke around my grandchildren. This "new" so-called study revelation about 3rd hand smoke has cost my grandson a grandmother for I have been deemed as something close to toxic waste, apparently more toxic than my son's dog who poops on their rug. Maybe when their child still gets sick and I have not been around him they will come up with 4th hand smoke because I exist.
What's next? Fourth hand smoke - from the cremation of lifelong smokers?
Exactly!!!! Where does it stop? I mean really, breathing the air alone has toxins even without smoke from tobacco in it. There are toxins all over the place, the ground, the air, our food etc., etc. but we don't worry about that.
This is REALLY getting out of hand!! Smokers shave become scapegoats for all environmental hazards.
maybe the kids are getting sick because their parents are over protecting them.
All this "anti-smoker" propaganda is just gonna make smokers very angry, and LESS likely to quit.
I thought about quitting, but ya know what, I'm NOT, just to SPITE all these whiny over-protective parents. I hope their kids DO get sick from my "third-hand smoke"....
What a JOKE!!!... anti-smokers can just take a leap off a bridge.
Anonymous at 10:41 is clearly no logician. No KNOWN safe level means that they don't KNOW what level could be considered safe - ergo, they don't KNOW at what level it becomes UNSAFE. If anything above zero was unsafe, then it would be a KNOWN, and they could say that there is, empirically, no safe level. There is no indication of what the limit is, which makes this a scare tactic based on hypothetical dangers.
So you socialise with your family or other parents and keep your own counsel. When you arrive home you realise that all of you reek of tobacco smoke. The children are snuffly. If you're really unlucky, they are in for sinus problems and ear infections.
Oh dear god wont someone think of the children!
Seriously though, I don't think anyone has ever suffered any adverse reaction to the scent of stale cigarette smoke.
Now it is January 2009 and 3rd hand smoke dangers are all over the news again. I wonder why? Has it something to do with our CEO, Banker, Gov. wrought recession that we are being plunged into. In the summer of 06 things were a little calmer I think. Now we need the smoke and mirrors to keep us distracted from the big picture. I expect a lot of health scares and other bugaboos to pop up in the next while. More vegetables gone evil, more poison lunchmeat and the like.. But all of it blown out of proportion. Be afraid be very afraid. Frightened people are more malleable. Better to be angry and levelheaded.
Wow.
I love what you write.
Its straight out of mein kampf.
Why?
Because you and muppets like you are inventing or spreading scare stories like this to portray smokers as ........
Infectious.
The problem is ... "dummie".
You are spreAding a very silly rumour that is not true.
If smoking is of a third hand nature as you suggest that means anybody who smokes becomes a typhoid mary overnight.
Are you mentally ill by any chance?
I see there are a lot of smokers here! All the angry posts!!
Make a CHOICE PEOPLE!
Children/Grandchildren or your Cigs! Come on!
Why smoke? It CAN kill you! It turns your teeth yellow! You smell really gross!It cost a lot of money. And it is just gross!
Think of it like this: do you like it when people have really bad B.O.? Don't you just want to be like clean yourself? Well that is exactly how nonsmokers feel everytime we are around people who smell like smoke. Its nasty and RUDE!
If you have kids and you send them to school smelling like that. Other kids arn't going to say it but they are going to try there hardest not to spend time around your kid. Which mean you are making your kid anti social!
I'm in college, my roommate's parents smoke and everytime she comes back from break she makes the room smell like a dirty smoke filled hotel room, it takes me about two months to get it all out and then she goes on break and it starts all over. I can't win at this game, and it isn't my fault and I shouldn't have to deal with it. I don't have very good health to begin with, and this just worsens it. I even bought an air cleaner.
So all the smokers out there please think about this. Babies weren't born with a cigarette in their mouth. Everyone chooses in life weather or not they will smoke. And for the people choose not to and the childern who can't choose yet, please stop making them 2nd and 3rd hand smoke.
And think how much money you would have if you stopped smoking? You could reward yourself, or maybe take your child somewhere and see their face light up.
To all you folks who think this in 'going to far' "mein kamph" blah blah blah... Smoking is an AVOIDABLE toxin! Unlike car exhaust and air pollution, you can avoid the toxins in ciggarettes by NOT SMOKING or being around people who choose to smoke. I've known for years that visiting my parents-in-law, who have smoked in their house for 30 years, was essentially like visiting an astray. A house full of harmful toxins imbedded in the wall and furniture. Of course you can't 'air out' all those chemicals and carcinogens. Everytime we visit, we have to wash all the clothes we bring with us because they reek of smoke AND THEY DONT SMOKE IN THE HOUSE WHEN WE VISIT. When will smokers just get over their 'right to smoke' BS and realize you poison anyone you come into contact with? 100 years from now, history will reflect our stupidity at poisoning our own population! And don't get me started on health care cost burdens!
There are many, many 'avoidable toxins' in the home which are damaging not only to children but to all...
Air 'fresheners'
Any and all aerosols
Bleach and most conventional household cleaning products
Parabens, pthalates, nitrites, sulfates
And that's not to mention the poisons and toxins people feed themselves and their children with ... msg, hydrogenated fats, preservatives, colourings and all kinds of additives - the list goes on.
All these are 'avoidable' - since when does third hand smoking pose a greater risk? As another poster remarked ... an easy scapegoat!
No one has mentioned that this "survey" by Winickoff was solely a telephonic quiz in the state of Mississippi.It appears no actual chemical evidence was gathered or analyzed.
The only other information I could find referencing Winickoff is a letter to the FTC in which his political/emotional bent is apparent.
Screaming fire in the theater will no doubt get him grant money for a more lucrative "study" in an area
that probably suffers less environmental exposure to some of the level 1 carc's not generated by
tobacco smoke.This quaint "new term" will only affect the agoro-germophobe hypochondriacs.
Real science and medicine cite research more quant-and qualified
than whether someone "believes" a local smoking ban has made them healthier or safer.
First do no harm then grab all the research money you can!
One person said that smoking is an avoidable toxin. However, for some of us that isn't the case. We now live in Texas where the smoker is relatively protected and very prevalent. Second hand smoke has long been something that has bothered me. I hate having to walk through a crowd of smokers to get into the public library or the local restaurant.
For me...third hand smoke makes sense. My husband works in a place where they smoke ALL THE TIME. While both of us are non-smokers...we suffer and it is highly possible that our children suffer. He comes home smelling like a pack of cigarettes with the smell in his hair and clothes. Sometimes it is so strong it is on his skin and even a change of clothes doesn't help.
Toxins from smoking aren't always avoidable. It is a shame that we have to suffer for other people's habits...bad enough we suffer from our own, but to have no choice! (I too was a very sickly child, most of which one doctor told my mom would be fixed with her quitting. She never did, after I moved out ear infections, tonsillitis, and other ailments that I suffered with several times a year slowly diminished.)
While it may not do any good to know about third hand smoke...it should be brought to the attention with the hopes it helps puts out a few more butts.
you had tonsillitis several times a year?
I think smokers are the cancer of society and they should all be forced to quit. The government seems to only care about money and not the lives of millions who are cut short every year do to this unnecessary garbage. Its NEVER to late to quit. Quit now and you will change the life of many for the better.
I have kids so I always go smoke out on the deck (weather permitting) or in our detached garage. I'm not selling anything here, but I always mist myself with a product called BANISH when I am done smoking and it completely removes any smoke odor - I can't say if it does anything to remove the "toxins". I also wash my hands each time after smoking so I know I'm not passing "third hand smoke" to anything I touch.
Oh dear, oh dear... The logic!
1 - Smokers experience a severe case of olfactory fatigue, which means they can't smell it on themselves anymore. The pig farmer never realizes that he smells like pig sh*#.
2 - Just because there are many unavoidable toxins in the air, does not mean we should have the right to voluntarily add more. How childish of an attitude is that. Here's a thought: maybe we should try reducing them??
3 - To the person who stated that people do not get side effects from third hand smoke. I get severe headaches and become nauseated. I know MANY people who experience the same.
4 - To the grandma: what a sad old lady you must be. In years from now after you die a slow painful death from emphysema, a nice young man will know that he didn't have any memories of granny because she CHOSE to smoke rather than be involved in her grandchild's life. And that she blamed her son for looking out for his son.
5 - Why enter into a debate with the kind of person who would CHOOSE to spend money to poison themselves and their fellow man, and then make arguments based on extremely selfish merits as to why this is okay? They obviously have no brains or integrity about them.
6 - Making cigarettes illegal would not be a step back towards prohibition, it would be progress and evolution for mankind.
This shouldn't even be a debate!
I am a smoker and can see both sides of the fence on this issue. I agree that smoking is not healthy and second hand smoke isn't much better. However I'm not sure that I'm sold on this third hand smoke study.
I agree with many here about other pollutants that are deemed acceptable as well. You say I shouldn't smoke because it shorten's the life of others around me. Well you shouldn't drive your car or leave it idling in the Timmy's drive through that my son has to walk by every day. You shouldn't use pesticides on your lawn that my son has to breathe when he walks by. More attention should be paid to the LARGER pollutants that come from factories. Do you every spray RAID on bugs, paint anything in your house (because that lingers for days), use cleaning solutions on your floor and countertops? There are many many other things that we take for granted that cause the 'CANCERS' of this world ... it's not just smoking. And lets not get started with the crap they put in and on our food.
Now I'm not condoning smoking .. I'm only pointing out that if as much study was put into other products or processes and PUBLICY PUBLISHED we may not think that smoking is the largest one to tackle. Attacking smokers without attacking many of these other issues is merely naive and ignorant.
And many of these other pollutants ARE controllable if people decide they're not going to put up with it. But the government and large corporations cover it up and probably fund the studies about smoking to keep the spotlight from hitting them. I would also like to see a study that compares the pollutants from cars, factories, foods and many other regularily used items to second and third hand smoke so everyone could know exactly where the largest problems lie. For all I know the main toxin could be from tobacco smoke but I would certainly bet against it.
To my knowledge tobacco smoke is the toxin associated with throat and lung cancer. There may be other types associated as well but I believe those are the main ones. Now there are many other types of cancer so what is causing those types? And not all incidents of throat and lung cancer is associated from tobacco smoke but from pollution and other toxins in the air. We don't seem to mind polluting the air with the toxins released from creating computer chips becasue we all want computers, cell phones and LCD televisions but those DAMN smokers are poisoning our children!!
Anyways ... that's just my 5 cents worth. I'm still waiting to see the broad spectrum study on all man made pollutants before I decide that smoking is the WORST one!
i have always been so against 2nd hand smoke & this really opened my eyes. thank you for posting. wow, and i thought i was alone in my thinking for so many years!
i now have a one yr old dau who was premature & every single time we go visit her grandparents, i know i will spend the next 2 nights awake with her listening to her weezing & struggling for breath. it is child abuse
I have to agree with the posting that has the 6 numbered points. I grew up in a smoking home and my parents continued to smoke through my adulthood until just recently. I have severe allergies and sinus problems attributed to second-hand smoke, as do my three daughters who spent time at grandma's. I wasn't the one who linked it to smoke, a doctor did as a result of MANY sinus problems and illnesses over time. I graduated school and moved away from home at 17. I am now 45. I don't want anyone's freedoms to be taken away, but people just need to be informed. Thankfully, my parents quit...a little late seeing they are in their sixties. I still get headaches and nausia when I come into contact with smoke OR smell it for a period of time. The longer I am away from it the better I have become. Just a side note to those who smoke indoors: try taking a little multi-purpose cleaner and wash (scrub) a small area of one of your walls. If your walls are white you will notice yellow slime run down the wall when you spray it. Even more comes off when you rub. Logic tells you there has to be some Nicotine on that wall. Just imagine how much more is absorbed by soft furnishings. Not throwing stones! I think that people should choose if they want to be subjected to any risk, just as I think that smokers have the right to choose to smoke.
To show the extent of this nonsense all one has to do is read the story on it in the New York Times where they emphasized that "Third-Hand Smoke" to which children would be exposed contains "radioactive Polonium 210" which was used to murder a Russian KGB agent a few years ago.
What they don't mention is the AMOUNT of this that's involved. A child who licked ten square feet of flooring in a smoker's house absolutely spic 'n span clean every single day would have to do that for almost THREE TRILLION YEARS to absorb the same dose of Po210 that killed the Russian.
To understand what that means, remember that they entire universe is only 10 billion years old. The kid would have to lick that much flooring every day for almost three hundred entire universe lifetimes.
Terrorizing parents about something like this, driving wedges and fear and eventually hatred into families over such an issue is nothing short of despicable. The researchers who seem to be deliberately spinning their research for the media and the media that's careless enough to parrot it without checking should be ashamed of themselves.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
well i must say this is funny my children growup with a smoker and so did i.WE are all healthy and active. My borthers children are sick alot whats up with that. My be its in the genes not the air.If you ask me its the cars at are causeing all the trouble poeple have smoked for centurys but car well you tell me.
I've read all the comments left and really only a few seem to have been made by rational people on this subject. I was a smoker for 4 years before I got pregnant. I quit for my unborn baby. After going back to work and getting wrapped up in the disrespectful drama that occurs I began smoking again, I felt it better to calm my nerves with a cigarette than go to jail because I physically harmed someone. I honestly can say that until now I have never heard of "Third Hand Smoke". It makes sense to me, being a smoker. I chose to smoke to prevent a rage of anger towards someone that may result in me not seeing my child grow up, and now I'm learning that that choice that I had made is probably doing the exact same thing. I quit smoking while pregnant to save and protect my child from all of the harms that go along with smoking, so it wouldn't make sense, to me, to keep smoking after learning that every precaution you take still doesn't prevent your children from being harmed by smoking. I don't care if all of the facts are there or not, or if everything is supported by scientific studies, the articles shed light on it for me and for the health of my child, the only thing to do now is to quit. Personally I don't feel as though I have been "attacked" as a smoker. They aren't going into your homes and personally removing any and all tobacco products, are they? That then would be an attack on tobacco users. I feel as though they are educating people and then letting them make their own decisions, why the debate on some knowledge? Use it as you will people. If you don't agree, then continue to smoke. If you do agree, then quit. What's so hard about this?
And for those who are bitching about the other toxins in EVERYTHING else... aren't those things the reason all these eco friendly people are coming out with organic products? I'm not that knowledgeable on all that has been said on the household cleaners and such, but I was under the impression that organic meant they were making things more/all natural... wouldn't that mean less harmful. Therefore, those saying they aren't doing anything about it, I think they are, but that's just my 2 cents on the subject.
And one more thing that is really bothering me is the lady who spoke of not seeing her grandchild because she smokes. I sure as hell would hope that any one, ESPECIALLY a grandparent, who wanted to be in my child's life would doing anything and everything in their power to be. If that means that you quit smoking then you quit smoking you don't sit at your computer making yourself seem like the victim. So not the case! That child is the victim as a result to your selfish iggnorant ways of thinking. Grow up, if you want to see the child, quit smoking... not rocket science!
I am in amazement at the ignorance of human beings. A terrorist defends killing innocent people in the name of religion, A serial killer defends killing people becuase of insanity, and smokers defend killing people in the name of civil rights...are you kidding me???????
This so-called scientific study is in fact a public opinion poll.
The surveyed were asked, after being told that some toxins from cigarette smoke linger on clothes and furniture (but not being told that we are talking a few parts per billion), if they believe that this could present a health hazard.
Surprise, surprise, a majority of respondents said yes.
It gives no scientific evidence whatsoever that it is harmful at all, just that people believed so.
I am 51 years old and for most of my life was exposed to tobacco smoke everywhere: homes, school (smoking was allowed and prevalent in high school, restaurants, cars, airplanes... everywhere. If even third hand smoke is toxic, I wonder how I managed to live that long with all the second hand smoke around for decades. Worse, it becomes almost incredible that smokers have lived that long, inhaling first-hand smoke on top of it all.
This is becoming an insane crusade.
A room reeking of smoke indeed stinks. It is unpleasant.Is it harmful? get real
I wanted to show love,
and slept all night at my smoking daughter's house.
(She smokes outside if I am there)
I have coughed for a month since that time, had a severe cold two of the weeks.In the mornings, I hack up phlegm, and bloody stuff is cleared from the nose.
This will happen again if I go up and stay with her.
She gets angry when I point out the yellow on the paintings of mine around her walls.
I know it is difficult to stop smoking.She says she wants to die before me.She buys organic bananas and free range chickens and special food for her pets.Is there a numbing effect on the brain they should perhaps study?
You can make tobacco illegal but you will never get rid of it! People will start smuggling it, growing it indoors, and smoking it in hiding like they already do with cannabis. Raise your kids how you want to but do not tell us how to raise ours. Just living in Chicago with its pollution is far worse for my daughters health than the third hand smoke she gets from daddys pipes of pot and joints. Yeah, make tobacco illegal, that way the cops can spend more time on that and less time on real crime....
I'm pretty sure that spending a night in a smokers house and having them smoke outside the whole time that you are staying would not bring on a cough for a month and as far as the phlegm and bloody stuff in the nose..... go see a doctor, cause i live with three people that smoke in the house and i am a non-smoker and i dislike it but the smoke does not make me physically sick. Don't get me wrong i am not saying that second hand smoke is not something to worry about people just love to criticise other peoples choices in life and in turn try and tell them how to live their life. In my honest opinion we should focus on more important issues in this world and fix the things that are taking human lives as we speak such as starvation, dehydration, poverty, all these things are killing people daily, leave the smokers alone if they want to die lets help the people that want to live first
this is an interesting article about the contaiminets found in bottled water.
http://www.ewg.org/node/27243
this is a list of chemicals found in tap water.
http://tinyurl.com/c52eoj
here are a list of chemicals found in tobacco.
http://www.tobaccofreeutah.org/chemicals.htm
Looks about the same as the tests made on various pieces of the house in the 3rd hand smoke test. So when they find all these nasty chemicals throughout the house, how can they tell it was not from tap water, cleaning solutions,or smog?
this is a small paragraph about 2nd hand pot smoke.
"1.3.1 Passive smoke and positives: "Second hand marijuana smoke in a car can cause you to fail the next day" (Nightbyrd; see end for his info). It is possible that second hand [marijuana] smoke will raise someone to the 50 ng/ 15 mL cutoff level; however, *extreme* exposure is required.
For instance, a closed car full of pot smokers and a non-smoker may render the non-smoker positive for both urinalysis and the hair test, provided that they are sealed in the car for a while. The Army did a case study where volunteers were put in a room pumped full of smoke for an hour, five time daily. Subjects started testing positive after the second day. The non-smoker would have to take in virtually as much second hand smoke as a smoker. Non-smokers are safe in a ventilated area, as long as they don't get a hair test."
you would think that 2nd hand smoke is about the same as 2nd hand pot smoke. Taking 1 hit off a joint will fail you and the extreme amount of second hand smoke you must be around to fail a test surely must have some relevence to 2nd hand tobacco smoke.
Another point i would like to make is about 2nd grade science.
smoke rises!!! it doesnt float around your head for hours while you are outdoors. The smell might, but the smoke is long gone.
Before you start shunning grandma who smokes cigarettes and the uncle you don't like just to have a reason to not go around him why don't you take the time to think about your genetic risk of giving your own child cancer or hereditary diseases just from giving birth to them? If you are so worried about your child getting sick maybe you should do some selective breeding instead?
so if your so worried about your kid getting sick because you can smell tobacco smoke maybe you should ditch your husband who has a history of hereditary pulmonary disease and mate with someone with stronger dna. didn't think so, but if you insist on blaming grandma for your child's allergys, why don't you blame her for her dna that allowed those allergies to take place?
I smoke and I don't smoke around others indoors, but when im outside I see no reason for anyone to be afraid. Unless of course, you think the sky is falling.
thank you peace and love!
P.s - the burden caused my smokers being hospitalized for cancers is a large reason why they tax cigarettes. Although, to die at age 60 from smoking related illnesses is far cheaper than someone living till 80 collecting social security. :)
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Let’s face it smoking is a selfish habit that others should not have to deal with b/c of your lifestyle choices. It’s no worse when a mom chooses to not expose her children to third hand smoke than it is for a smoker to choose to not quit…it’s all about that person’s choices…why should the smoker get freedom of choice w/o persecution but an “over-protective” mother is deemed crazy and irrational?? So what if it’s what you call over-protective or fear mongering. In the wild, a momma bear would kill to protect her young…just be lucky we are civilized human beings and that most of us moms don’t bear arms. If a relative wants to be a part of a child’s life than they need to respect the parents’ wishes, but if they don’t than a parent shouldn’t compromise their own beliefs or child’s health to accommadate another’s bad habits…in the end it’s a person’s choice to continue smoking that will put a strain on a family…smoking is just a waste…a waste of money, a waste of oxygen, and is not a necessitiy to live…so don’t just care enough to see the baby whether you are exposing him/her to toxins but care enough to not expose him/her to toxins whether it may mean for you to quit or take extra precautuions if you choose to continue to smoke. Thank you.
Hello, I live in a house where neither of my parents, nor my sisters and I smoke. The only problem is, my cleaning lady goes out to her car to smoke a few cigarettes a day. When she comes back into the house, she cleans the house, touches the couches, everything. Am I at risk? She never smokes in our house but sometime I can smell the disgusting smoke on her and get scared.
I've been searching the web for hard facts about the harmful effects of cigarette smoke residue for 2 hours. I can find no scientfic studies showing the real health risks of third hand smoke. Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm looking for evidence of increased risk of cancer, etc.
I appreciate being educated on the risks of cigarette smoking and 2nd hand smoke, but it seems to me that there is fear mongering happening in the medical community and media regarding the actual health risks of passive smoking. This leads to hysteria, instead of true education & understanding. The smoker has become a straw figure to be abused by those terrified for the well being of their loved ones. There are so many environmental pollutants that cause health issues, but users of harmful cleaning products, synthetic fibers, campfires, car exhaust, etc. don't elicit the hatred of the others like smokers do. It's much easier to point the finger at smokers and say "you are causing the disease". Treat your smoking loved ones with care, not disdain. Help them to see the light with facts & support, not disgust. Then examine the ways you ,as a non smoker, can reduce other cancer causing agents in your environment. Carcinogens are everywhere. Peace out.....
a smoker trying hard to resrict the effects of her bad habit on others
You're kidding me. My mother smokes, but never around me. I stopped to visit her for 15 minutes, ran some errands and got home 2 hours later. My husband wanted to know if I had been at a bar. You cannot tell me that I only picked up a smell, that there weren't other particles attached to me; I highly doubt it.
The only ones that are upset by this are the smokers. Yes, smoking has been around for years and there was wide spread acceptance, but that doesn't mean that it is not harmful. Look at lead, asbestos, the coke in Coca Cola - all wonderful products until they were found to be not so wonderful.
Smoke all you want; just not around me or my kids and don't expect me to come visit you at your house - I won't expose myself if I don't have to.
Ms. June- What this article says to me, is that we as parents would do anything to protect our children. Would we give our children rat poison? NO! Well that's one of the chemicles in second-hand smoke. Yes we are exposed to all sorts of chemicles everyday, but we can prevent our children from this certain exposure. Be responisible.
Yes I do believe that it can get out of hand. There are a lot toxic things out there that we expose ourselves and our children to. As a previous smoker before my pregnancy, I strongly feel that we should be doing everything possible to minimize the levels of toxics around us and our children. Yes there are types of things to be worried about, many that are not within our control. So let's worry about what is, and truly smoking is one of them. My daughter has a father who is trying to quit after 17+ years of smoking, who has parents who are very heaving smokers as well. My father is a smoker too, who has tried to quit, but always falls back on it when times are tough. I am overwhelming concerned with the risks this puts my family. I am so angry that time and time again I watch people in our family choose their cigs over taking care of themselves, to at least be around for their grandchildren's sake if not for their own. I am angry that I am looked upon as a crazy control freak for being so persistant and concerned about this issue. If it is more important for you to have a cig or two on the way to my house than to hold and cuddle your first grandaughter, fine!
This thread is about third hand smoke. not second hand smoke! The dangers from second hand smoke are obvious... only 13% of the nicotine in a cigarette makes its way to the lungs.. the rest is in the smoke coming off the cigarette onto the walls and into the lungs of people nearby.
Breastfeeding whilst smoking, for example, is third hand smoking. No outside smoking, hoodie or other caution prevents polonium and nicotine getting into the breastmilk!
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I definitely like your take on this. I really usually think your shit is your shit do it on your own time, I don't care but c'mon now it's time we face the facts: Kids, smoking is not cool anymore. for real this time.
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